Mangalore Incident - A critical look

[dkjain49709]

Several questions are being raised by so called social reformer or media persons on the acts of assault on Pub going girls undertaken by Ram Sena in Mangalore or on those who indulge in sharp protests on ugly form of Valentine Day.

Basic question is whether pub going girls are doings good for the society. Whether all good things are going on in the name of valentine Day? Is drinking, dancing in almost naked form by woman in Pub Houses good and healthy for promotion of good culture for any civilized society?

If yes, then Ram Sena undoubtedly took initiative to stop such acts and undoubtedly committed crime?
As of now I am not going into depth of dirty politics being played by opposition parties in the name of Ram to tarnish the image of BJP knowing very well that the promoter of Ram Sena was expelled long ago from BJP.

Secondly if the acts of such woman are undesirable for local residents and when neighboring families complained about the same to police why did they (POLICE) not act?

Thirdly if they do not act and respond to public protests, what are the ways to stop such mal practices going on in the society?

Why government failed to stop drinking and smoking which is harmful for the society as a whole? Is it not because that Government earns revenue from the cigarette and Wine and hence simply plays drama by preaching smokers and drinkers to avoid smoking and drinking?

It is observed that in all criminal activities police remains silent as long as it does not become explosive and people in general revolt.

So far as the word used in "Ram Sena" is concerned, it does indicate only the name of a social group and not at all the ideas of BJP or any party or any religion. To illustrate the same I would like to say that If any person or group of persons opens a shop or industry like "Ram Bhandar” or “Shree Ram Industries", it does not indicate that the promoter of such shop or industry will trade most religiously and not indulge in profit making or not extort the consumer or customer of the product they deal in. The name does not give guarantee that they will not indulge in adulteration or other corrupt and illegal practices.

Here I do not justify the acts of Ram Sena TAKING LAWS IN THEIR HANDS. But I DO NOT HESITATE TO raise a question why police remained silent spectator of ugly programmes being shown by women who are considered as producer of the world, from whom ushers the future of the world. When the protector of the society police helps in perpetuation of immoral and unethical scenes in the mohalla there is no use of keeping and promoting police department .Munsi Premchand told that "Jab Rakchak hi Bhakchak ban jay to Vinash Nishchit Hai"

If drinking is injurious to health why does government grant license to wine traders?If cigarette is injurious to health, why does government allows producers of cigarettes and huge hoarding on smoking?

The last question once again precipitates whether police is not responsible for evils going on in the society and what are the remedies available in the hands of aggrieved residents when police fails to protect them. When strikes, forceful closure of shops, burning of shops and government buses during the strike and the political rallies are considered good in democratic set up , why eyebrows are raised by media person on Ram Sena alone who raised voice against such girls?



10th feb. 2009

Danendra Jain dkjain49709@rediffmail.com
Ganaraj Choumuhani
Agartala 799001

[parth(maddy)]

@ dkjain49709

I completely agree with your views about the cultural disaster created by so called hi-fi people.Its really spoiling our youths, everybudy remembers the REV party caught in pune, it was shame to entire country. N such things are always promoted or at least introduced on valentien's day,rose day,choclate day n day.... day.... day....
when this will stop????

Its not our culture. we are not enthusiastic about our festivals, our independence day, even we don't remember birthdays of great people who sacrificed their blood for the freedom we r now enjoying. Its really shameful. And the root behind all such cultural degradation is at school level. The so called advanced education in convent schools which are mainly run by christian authorities are responsible for this. I am not blaming all institutes but its the fact that such culture is promoted on school level by these institute. Even one International school something named as "benz institute" do not celebrate independence day rather it celebrates german day just because it do not take any donation from government. And moreover majority IAS officer's children study in this school.
So if we need to promote our original culture we must start giving combined education of modern science and vedas, as swami vivekananda said.

But even if i am opposing the so called pub culture, i don't agree with the "RAMSENA's" stand. Who had given them authority to do all this?? These so called moral police are nothing more than gundas who drink regularly, dope regularly and they are talking about our culture???? they even know what is india's culture??? Do they know what is vedas, yoga, meditation, science in indian anceint books, importance and meaning of our festivals, medical application of chanting "OM" , the great ayurveda????? What do they know about true india???

NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!

And still they are behaving as protectors of our culture and some so called 'aware' people are supporting them. Its disaster of indian culture. Supporting these gundas will send a bad message about our culture to youths who dont have real knowledge abt indias' culture. The pub culture as well as these gundas both are responsible for indian culture's disaster. The only way to creat awareness about our true culture is to teach students about it at school level.

But i must mention here that the option which i discussed is little bit a slow process and we will need to do appropriate changes in syllabus. It should be done, but to prevent such degradation of our culture rite now, government must take some instant preventive majors.
I think Our police can easily handle it, but they are keeping mum on these issues because in many such pubs the visiting youths are children of politicians, class 1 officers and so called "BADE LOG". So its fact that police can't directly take action.For this we need a strong political willpower, but how can we expect this from U.P.A.(United Pagal Alliance) goverment!!!!!!

So its the responsibility of BJP to take action against both pub culture and so called moral police(gundas). But i must ask what did NDA government did concerning this issue in 5 years of their rule??? Is it not the failure of that government???? Still the only political party is BJP upon which we can rely n hope that they will do something for this issue. The least they can do is they should give strict orders to police department about this n i am sure if our police gets freedom to act then they will definitely do better work.

Still everything is not governments responsibility. As being residents of this country we people also take part in these matter and we should create awareness about our holy,awesome, culture.

Regards,
J.Parth

[randheer_singh]

http://www.4octave.com/2009/02/24/pub-culture-biggest-enemy-of-young-software-professionals/

Pub Culture: Biggest enemy of “Young” Software Professionals

I must admit that I do love gulping down a pint of beer or shaking a leg with girls but all within parameters of Company Parties. There are two reasons for this,first of all it is free of cost and secondly I knew that I will be made to work twice the amount of little fun that I am having.

I can hardly count on my fingers when I have gone to Pub on my own.Recently there was huge debate when in Mangalore some Pub Going girls were attacked.This was a deplorable act and Rame Sene activists were arrested for that. Yeddurappa Government of Karnatka acted quite strictly against Ram Sene as compared to Congress Government of Maharashtra which acted as “Event Management” company of Raj Thakrey. But one thing which Yedurappa said and was obviously misquoted by biased Media was that he won’t allow “Growth of Pub Culture” in State. Media cursed this as attack on “Personal Freedom” and a “Matter of choice” and bla blah!!.But the same thing was said by Congress CM Gehlot also . So the two National Party did agree on something.

I will not go into the morality aspect of it as I am not opposed to people going to Pub and enjoying a bit. I am only concerned when I see this becomming a culture.Youngsters and particularly the Software Professionals are the worst affected. Among the Software Professionals the worst affected are those who have migrated from different cities as they are easy prey for it because of absence of Family restraints.I can’t understand how come the Software Professionals from small Towns who would have begged for 50 rupees from their parents to watch a Movie become Ultra Modern and Coool as soon as they land in a Metro like Bangalore !!!.

According to Indian Traditions the first 25 years of life is to be spend in “Brahamcharya Ashram” which includes first 3 years of Job, assuming a person completes his B Tech or MCA in around 22 years. So first 3 years of Job should be spend like a “Brahamchari” or a saint and should be considered as continuation of “GuruKul”.This time is for learning new skills,working hard and not wasting time around in Pubs. If you know Java,then learn VC++ and Flash and C# also !!!

Of the two Metros Banagalore and Hyderabad, the known IT Hubs,I feel Hyderabad is more conducive for launch of R&D and Companies requiring intensive Development. Hyderabd is better for Freshers as from my own experience I can say that if I have been in Bangalore,I would have learnt less as there would have been unnecessary “Peer Pressure” of acting “Cool” on me. Though people may not accept it but it is a fact that too much “Cool dudes” are not generally preferred. I was part of a “Startup” setup where our Boss appeared to be a “cool Dude” , but as I can recall he ended up firing all the ultra “Cool Dudes” only without them even knowing what hit them.The effect of “Pub Culture” was affecting their work without they even realizing it.

Rama Sene acted foolish by beating girls in Pub for which they were arrested and punished. But what about those girls who sent the “Pink Chaddis” to Pramod Muthalik.What wrong precedence would this be setting. Pramod Muthalik did something wrong for which he was arrested and was in jail for 5 days. But does he deserve such humiliation?.The women group running this campaign should realize that Muthalik is well above 65 and could be of their Father’s or Grandfather’s age. Do Generation gap issues need to be resolved like this. Imagine if some Elderly lady, who is above 60 years of age scolds me,how ever right or wrong she may be. Should I send her my Underwear smeared with dirty comments to her?. Why did Media supported such campaign?.

[anandmohan]

The difference between living in a democracy and a theocracy/communist/monarchy are certain values. "Freedom" is the hallmark of democracy, especially; freedom to travel as you please, freedom to speak your mind, freedom to form groups/associations, freedom to worship, and freedom to be what you want to be !

World has made a lot of progress in last few centuries, and one thing that is the byproduct of this progress, is above said freedom. There are certain human rights that are personal to each individual that can not be taken away, and should not be. Alcohol and cigarette is not good for health, not good for spiritual reasons, and it costs a lot of money. We all know that. But it is still an individual choice made by individuals. Vedic India, or pre-islamic India does not give us a simple example of moral policing. This kind of draconian administration is part and parcel of islamic society notably seen as being implemented by Taliban by issuing edicts to women asking them to dress, talk, walk, shop, behave in a certain way that confirms to their ideology. this mind set is unfortunately taking over a certain section of Indian psych.

Even though pub culture is not confirming to India's cultural values, even though Valentine day is an alien concept and even though clubbing is not in tune with Indian sensibility; we must very strongly discourage and condemn the thuggery and moral policing perpetrated by groups like Shiv sena, bajrang dal, and most recently ram sene. A civilized society must not have an iota of tolerance for goons jumping on helpless couples, or women in order to "teach" them a lesson in Indian Culture. This is not indian culture, this is called robbing an individual of his /her basic human rights and dignity. Lets not give others a chance to coin terms such as 'Hindu Taliban'. That is not what we are, or what we stand for.

As a people who are proud to represent longest living civilization in the world; we need to correct certain errors and speak in unison against what is wrong. Hindutva stands for that individual freedom and dignity and believes in spreading cultural awareness through sharing knowledge; not by beating up a bunch of people for their new found mode of expression(Valentine day, pub, whatever).

BJP must create and run a social awareness program to enlighten people in this regard !