CUT MOTION DEFEAT - USE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY

[nareshcs]

The cut-motion proposed by BJP has been defeated in the Lok Sabha and as expected BSP, SP and RJD help the Congress in this motion because of fear of use of CBI by congress against them.

I am of the opinion that BJP should not let itself down with this cut motion defeat, but use this as an opportunity to expose BSP and SP in Uttar Pradesh and should tell the people they these parties are with the Congress on price Rise Front and corruption and also expose RJD in Bihar in similar way.

BJP should now get itself more active in U.P. becauase all other main party namely Congress, BSP and SP are hand in glove with each other. BJP should start mass people contact in U.P. immediately.

Thanks
naresh

[vamsy_krishna]

BSP has supported the government directly and lalu's RJD and Mulayam's SP did it indirectly. So now in UP only BJP is on one side and rest of 3 prominent parties there on other side. So the task for BJP there will be more easy. They can include these 3 parties under one umbrella and can attack them. In bihar also where elections are due this year NDA can take the issue of Lalu very seriously to people and can say that lalu is more interested in his own politics then to make the government stand on toe for the scams they are doing and direct impact on people in the form of price rise for there dirty politics.

We can say now that these parties are equally responsible as they are supporting congress and its dirty for price rise. I hope BJP wil not loose this opportunity.


Vandemataram.


Vamsy Krishna, Andhra Pradesh.

[shailesh13]

Shibu Soren, CM for Jharkhand propped by the BJP has voted for the UPA in the Cut Motion.

Is the BJP ever going to learn some lessons from past mistakes of forming wrong opportunistic alliances???

[shailesh13]

EVMs failed during Cut Motion in Parliament.
How can the Aam Admi trust these EVMs when they can fail in the temple of Democracy !!!

Cut motions: Some disturbing signs for the UPA govt
BJP should be prepared for Midterm Elections.

The government on Tuesday defeated the cut motions moved by the Left and the Bharatiya Janata Party rather decisively, with the scoreboard reading 201 for the opposition and 289 in favour of the government.

But the victory margin looks deceptively victorious. United Progressive Alliance ministers looked and sounded worried when they came out of the Lok Sabha after the vote. They said the UPA is clearly in a minority, and if it had not been for the Bahujan Samaj Party voting for the government, that minority would have been clearly visible on the board.
One of them commented, "This is as close as it could get. The leadership should be more than worried."

'The government had put up a poor show' and the ministers noted that 'the managers would probably have a great deal of explaining to do.'

While the UPA currently stands at 271 MPs, only 268 were present with three absentees, one each from the Congress, the Nationalist Congress Party and the Trinamool Congress . Add to that the 21 MPs of Mayawati and the UPA got 289 votes in its favour.

The government was banking on a few independents to come with them, but by all accounts even that did not happen; with even former foreign minister Jaswant Singh , now an unattached MP, voting with the BJP.

Ajit Singh-led Rashtriya Lok Dal with its five MPs also went with the National Democratic Alliance-Left combine, and did not cozy up with the Congress, despite its best efforts.

The Opposition numbers, which should have been 222 according to government calculations, fell short and were reduced to only 201. There were MPs absent from the NDA side as well, though the BJP claimed that all its MPs were present to vote against the government.

Apart from the support from the BSP, what helped the government was the split in the opposition ranks with the two Yadavs -- Lalu Prasad Yadav-led Rashtriya Janata Dal and Mulayam Singh Yadav-led Samajwadi Party -- leading their parties in a walkout protesting against the price rise.

As the House assembled at 6 pm for the guillotine to be applied on the demands for grants of the various ministries, the Lok Sabha was packed to the gills with all parties having pulled all the stops to bring in their MPs for a show of strength.

Earlier in the day the three Yadavs -- Lalu, Mulayam and Janata Dal-United leader Sharad Yadav -- held a meeting to discuss the strategy. And by the end of the day, Lalu and Mulayam decided to register their protest against the price rise by speaking in the House and then both walked out. That was 26 MPs less, bringing the strength of the House down.

The general refrain was that the SP and RJD had been 'managed' by the government as part of a deal by which they would not vote against the government, as was equally evident by BSP's action earlier on Tuesday.

Sources say that Mayawati's 'deal with the government' does not stop at the government taking a soft line against her mounting court cases, but something more substantial. It may have to do with the government's green signal to the Greater Noida international airport project, which would be to the tune of Rs 5500 crores.

While the UPA has been keen that GMR infrastructure should build the airport, Mayawati's choice rests with Jayprakash industries, which sources say is 'almost as good as giving it to Mayawati herself.'

But the biggest story to emerge out of the Lok Sabha trial of strength was the manner in which Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh and Congress President Sonia Gandhi completely ignored each other for one-and-a half hours during their stay in the House. The PM was at his seat, with his hands folded and simply looked sternly ahead, with no one coming upto him and talking to him. Neither did he make any efforts to participate in the animated discussions going on all around him.

Sitting between the PM and Sonia Gandhi was the leader of the House Pranab Mukherjee . Sonia Gandhi and Mukherjee were often seen in animated conversation with each other, with the Congress president turning to him a number of times. But not once did she lean across to put in a simple word to the prime minister. One is not sure if this is accidental or intentional.

On her other side were Union Agriculture Minister Sharad Pawar , Home Minister P Chidambaram and Railway Minister Mamta Banerjee, all of whom were in high spirits and were seen speaking to her, as there were long gaps in the proceedings as the electronic voting machine did not work.

Finally all the cut motions were clubbed together as they were being counted with slips distributed to members. One MP later sarcastically commented on the failed voting machine, saying that the 'the system had failed.'

Some of the other MPs who were noticeably quiet were Praful Patel , the civil aviation minister, who was sitting next to former Maharashtra chief minister Vilasrao Deshmukh . But Patel sat quietly throughout, without exchanging any banter, obviously deep in thought.

Another MP sitting on Rahul Gandhi's bench right at the end was Shashi Tharoor, who was quiet and distant from the other MPs, and looked grim and unhappy. The normally 'ever-smiling' Tharoor has been looking grim since the day of his resignation and looked totally cut up with the world.

Separated from his other two Yadav friends after their walkout, Sharad Yadav also looked alone and lost.

Pranab Mukherjee, however, said after the voting was over, that it was 'impressive,' and noted that the government would take a call on Wednesday on when they would schedule the vote for the finance bill, with its debate beginning in the House on Wednesday itself.

The UPA has not even completed a year in power and already the ruling combine has slid into a minority. A tactical tie up with Mayawati is only good for one show, and the bonhomie is unlikely to extend beyond that without a suitable price being paid for it.

This was the first show of strength faced by the government in UPA II, and although there was never any real threat to the government, senior party leaders are credited with the view that the signs are not good for the Congress, particularly since the Left has decisively voted with the BJP and against the government.

Renu Mittal in New Delhi

[DHIRAGAR]

Hi,

Fate of the cut motion was known to every one. But I think it has served the agenda of keeping the inflation issue alive and BJP being positioned as principle party for alternative government.

UP is the biggest challenge and half the battle is won for 2014 is won if UP is won and for that we definitely need a mass contact program.

Also one of the biggest challenges for BJP is that many of their supporters do not vote. BJP should start work to ensure that more and more people vote in the coming election. Even a program to assist people in getting their voter id and ensure that they vote will help them to win

BJP should utilize their youth wing to run this program with the voluntary help of college students so that more and more youth get attracted.

Also failure of Women bill should be highlighted to win the women voters

Regards

[aarbee_otp]

BJP is a party which never learn a lesson, despite repeated set backs. Now that the Shibu Soren has joined hands with the congress, BJP leadership now think twice before forming any unholy alliance in future.

1.Mayawati ditches BJP not once or twice, but three times, and was also responible for the fall of NDA government in 1998. If Mayawati makes advances, some of the leaders will still try to form alliance with this most corrupt lady.
2.Jayalalitha ditches BJP - NDA falls in 1998. In TN even now the BJP dreams of forming an alliance with this very lady. By hook or crook, DMK has been defeating AIADMK in successive bye elections to assembly/parliamentary constituencies
3.Karunanidhi ditches BJP in 2004, after enjoying power in the Centre for 4 years and 10 moths.
4. Chandrababu Naidu, gets his partyman the posiiton of Lok Sabha speaker, an exalted position. In the next election he ditches BJP.
5.Deve Gowda and Kumaraswamy enjoy the CM position for 20 months, and when it is time to hand over the power they ditch BJP.
6.Navin Patnaik, enjoys a stable rule with BJP's support. Once he stabilises himself, he ditches BJP.
7.And now, Shibu Soren!!!

But the moot question is will BJP ever learn its lesson?

[praveenshankarkapoor]

Due to lack of direct email id I am sending this letter to Respected Sh. Mohan Bhagwat ji through Sh. Ram Madhav ji Spokesperson of Rashtriya Swam Sevak Sangh with request to please forward it to Respected Bhagwat ji. I send this letter to Respected Bhagwat ji because as I have been saying 2010 is very crucial for B.J.P. and the Party affairs need to be Scanned by Sangh our undeniable source of strength.The Drawing Room is not prepared to allow Party Change for better.

A Joint Letter to Sh. Nitin Gadkari ji President B.J.P. & Sh. Mohan Bhagwat ji Chief of R.S.S.

Respected Bhagwat ji & Nitin Sir, Namaskar. I don't know whether you would even see this email but my love for the Party makes me write.

I am a very ordinary worker of B.J.P. who has been critical of Party leadership for quite long, had I been in Congress surely I would have been expelled by now but thanks to the internal democracy I am there in the Party. Though my criticism may appear quite personal at times yet it is never guided by any vested interest, I write what I see on the wall. Only thing that saddens me is the continued neglect by the Party of the people who manage guts to speak out, like the earlier leadership the present one may too survive 3 years but Party was & continues to be in down mode. The advantage B.J.P. generated by April 21 Rally is already lost a week later due to the failure to put up some thing effective in Parliament.

Thanks to the Cricket Lobby --- the Party that over hyped Shashi Tharoor issue went silent on Sharad Pawar & Praful Patel. Why have we allowed safe passage to Pawar & Patel ? To the people of India entire Cricket Administration is Equally Corrupt to the people all those in B.C.C.I. are equally involved in I.P.L. Fraud. Its a All Party MAFIA.

People of India find that the Main Opposition Party has been extremely soft on Sharad Pawar --- when we needed to bell the cat called Pawar --- we started crying on Phone Tapping. Ajaab Ghazaab Hain Hum.

Here it is worth mentioning this Sunday 25 April I vocally raised the issue of Sharad Pawar's involvement in 2 Major Scandals of 2010 ---- SUGAR SCAM & I.P.L. Fraud --- on a N.D.T.V. Show HUMLOG and Questioned Sh. Tariq Anwar (N.C.P. Leader) --- Why Cant Pawar Even Contemplate Resigning On Moral Grounds ?

Let us now move on to next important issue Shibu Soren the day B.J.P. started talking of Alliance with him I must have been first to widely email to All Party Leaders my write up at lk advani forum --- BLACK DAY OF B.J.P. ---see what a joke of Alliance Politics this Crook Shoren has made -- Yesterday in Parliament Shibu Soren VOTED IN SUPPORT OF CONGRESS GOVERNMENT.

I wish if Party Chief Sh. Nitin Gadkari ji could PLEASE SCROLL DOWN MY Emails IF THEY HAVE NOT BEEN MOVED OF TO TRASH ---- in my email I had written this crook would LET B.J.P. Down At the First Moment.

The question is if I a ordinary worker can foresee & write Why Can't Those Who Sit Around And Decide From Lavish DRAWING ROOMS Warn the Party Head ? You may call this criticism but then every one who gives up a wake up call is considered a Critic by the Drawing Room.

Another important issue is of Alliance with Assam Gan Parishad --- only 10 days back in a write up on North East --- Tripura Election I had said Party is neglecting a important alliance partner A.G.P. How Correct I were --- A.G.P. did not Vote with B.J.P. in Parliament yesterday.

Kya kehenge Aap Uss Party Ko Jou Sirf 2 Important Alliance Partners ko Control Nahi Kar Paye ? Irony is you get the shock on the floor of the House. No prior idea.

One more issue that is worth mention is some of our leaders enthusiasm to show case a alliance with politically notorious R.L.D. Chief AJIT SINGH some of our senior leaders who has failed out at national level has been Doing Photo Sessions of Demonstrations with Ajit Singh. I hope the Party has noted Ajit Singh too distanced himself in Parliament from B.J.P.

The Analysis of last 2 days of Parliament Proceeding is B.J.P. has to understand it has to keep a Seprate Identity --- last month we became "a constructive opposition" extending help on Women Bill alienating from important opposition groups & important leaders within the Party.

The Voting on Cut Motions shows --- we support the other Opposition Groups & Vote for them but they stay away and Do Not Vote For Us.

Time to Ponder.

PRAVEEN SHANKAR KAPOOR
Delhi. 9873336731

[madhusudan41]

I entirely agree that defeat at this stage is blessing in disguise.Country has seen true colors of BSP,RJD &BSP.Lalu Yadav,Mulayam Singh Yadav stand completely exposed before people of this country.Mayawati also has lost credibility among her constituency[HAMAM ME SAAB NANGE HAI].Rajnath Singh along with Varun Gandhi,Vinay Katiyar,Murli Manohar Joshi ji,should expose this to people of U.P. Once again Electronic Media's dictatorial attitude towards BJP was visible on CNN-IBN & NDTV yesterday.Rajiv Rudy handled Rajdeep Sardesai & Barkha Dutt very well.

[stokinghem]

http://www.lkadvani.in/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=7065#p24654


Re: Anti-Naxal operations Called-off in Jharkhand.Where is BJP ?

भारत माता की जय
वंदे मातरम

शैलेश जी जहा नीव ही गलत है तो आगे क्या होगा

हा अभी सब को यह गठ बंधन बहुत सही वर्त्तमान में लगता होगा मगर इस में रह कर बीजेपी प्रदेश की या तो प्रदेश की जनता के लिए कुछ कर पायेगी ? बिलकुल नहीं.

अच्छा कार्य सिर्फ अच्छे लोगो साथ रह कर ही किया ज सकता है ..दारू बेचने वालो से दोस्ती रख के दूध बेचने जाओ तो बिकेगा ? और दूध है एइसा भरोसा कोई करेगा ?

पार्टी विथ डिफरेंस... पार्टी विथ एथिक्स..... पार्टी विथ मोरल...

ये सब जारखंड में राजनीती में या तो सत्ता मोह में भुलाया गया .....जनता में क्या सन्देश जायेगा ...

किसी भी हालत में किसी भी कारन बीजेपी ने जार्खंड में गठ बंधन किया है वोह बीजेपी की गरिमा के योग्य नहीं ही है सारे भारत में बीजेपी की प्रतिभा पर असर पड सकती है की सत्ता के लिए बीजेपी किस के भी साथ बेठ सकती है ....

संसद में ही बीजेपी जिनको मंत्री पद से दूर करने के लिए कितने बूम बूम कराती थी ! PVN के वक्त की करोडो की सोदेबाजी सूटकेस कौभांड सब कुछ बीजेपी भूल गयी ....और अब उनके साथ सरकार बनाना ....कर्णाटक का भी गठ बंधन स्मरण में तो होगा ही

एइसे लोगो के साथ गठ बंधन कर के देस की या तो प्रदेश या जनता की सेवा नहीं है मगर विश्वासघात है ....लोगो ने बीजेपी को वोट बीजेपी की सरकार के लिए किये होते है वह मतदाता ओ की भावना के साथ भी खेलना है ....अगर सर्कार नहीं बन सकती है तो दूसरी बार चुनाव करवाओ जनता को भी सबक मिलेगा ...... और दूसरे चुनाव का बोज जनता पर नहीं पड़े एईसी चिंता करने वाले लोगो को असल में खुद के दूसरे चुनाव के खर्च की चिंता होती है ..चुने हुए लोगो पेंसन की चिंता रहती है की टर्म पूरी नहीं होगी तो पेंसन नहीं मिलेगा .....जनता को तो अगर त्रिसंकू परिणाम में दूसरा चुनाव आये तो फायदा ही फायदा है ..... बहोत सारे लोगो को काम मिलता है ... सारे अर्थ तंत्र में गति आती है ....जनता को सही में आत्म मंथन करने का और अपनी करनी का फल क्या है वोह सोचने का वक्त मिलता है ......(वक्त गुजरने के बाद जनता खुद भूल जाती है की उसने क्या गलती की थी तो त्रिसंकू परिणाम मिले )......और सही देखो तो ऐसी गठ बंधन और तद जोड़ वाली सरकार चलाने में जो अनिर्नायाकता से आर्थिक बर्बादी और भ्रष्टाचार से खर्च ५ सालो में होता है वोह तो दूसरे चुनाव के खर्च से हजार गुना ज्यादा होता है ! ..... हा राजनीती में कोई हरदम शत्रु या मित्र नहीं होता ......पर बीजेपी का अस्तित्व किस के लिए है राजनीती कर के सत्ता में आने के लिए है ? की ... देस सेवा और जन सेवा कर के और करने के लिए सत्ता में गौरव के साथ आने के लिए है ?

जब तक बीजेपी को खुद अपने आप पर सत् प्रतिसत भरोसा नहीं है की हम स्वतंत्र सत्ता में आ सकते है तब तक अपने देस का भारत वर्ष का उद्धार नहीं है और बीजेपी का भी उद्धार नहीं है ...... निसान चूक माफ़ है मगर नहीं निचा निसान ....प्रजा के मानस में राजा का एइसा ही छवि होती है ..... जय श्री राम

[abo007]

Congratulations to Praveen on raising this issue on TV...

I watched the program and got the chance to see you in person but I didn't know it was you until i read this post...

What Pravenn is saying is very important that if a common worker can foresee the dangers and tries to warn the party, why it is not considered worth ???

another way to look at it is if the people who are the head of the party, if can't think or foresee such things, are they qualified to stay on that post ?

why shouldn't people like Praveen be lifted up purely on the basis of talent ?